Please (for warsows sake) fix weak eb as fast as possible

dromer wrote:

Koochi wrote:
Projectile eb is the only thing i would save of the 0.7 gameplay. :-P

Sarcasm again? Must be!

It's not sarcasm. I think that for real.
I like the idea you have to control strong EB ammo to use instant hit. Also, the projectile should be instant under the 1024 length, which is enough for 850 LG length and LG+EB combo.

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Dromer you still can hit LG/EB combos, you only have to adjust the way you aim. In Painkiller you had the Stake Gun that you could use to finish off people in a very effectfull way. It flew in an arc and was rather slow, but the professional players like Vo0 learned to hit almos everytime with it. It's only a matter of how willing you are, to adjust to the new eb. It definitely is much more skillfull to land a LG/EB combo when you have to predict the movement of your opponent propperly.

wOwie wowie woww woww.. projectile eb is back??? V happy about this, although I can understand duelers not being v happy about it -

Crizis, can you please remove strong eb ammo from the NC Ca server - oh and MG.. =D

WTFProoF wrote:
Dromer you still can hit LG/EB combos, you only have to adjust the way you aim. In Painkiller you had the Stake Gun that you could use to finish off people in a very effectfull way. It flew in an arc and was rather slow, but the professional players like Vo0 learned to hit almos everytime with it. It's only a matter of how willing you are, to adjust to the new eb. It definitely is much more skillfull to land a LG/EB combo when you have to predict the movement of your opponent propperly.

With all do respect, did you ever play a semi decent player in wsw? I remember you from CA, but can t remember you making any frags.. Anyway..

I ll try to explain it again, the un-reliability-problem:

When you fight some of the top hardhitters, in da/duel/ca/whatever, every little mistake==death. If you missed your 0.6 eb when you had to hit to finnish at midrange fight, you deserved to die.. Now when you perfectly hit it (3 times in a row) and it never connects, cause of randomness.. you die even after dominating the whole fight..

Conclussion, weak eb can t be used for finnish and will not be used by the hardhitters that want reliable kill ways. Combo's will change to LG/RL (which is still as strong) and LG/RG (which, sadly will b more reliable).. Maybe add machineguns to all maps?

Not even talking about the importance of weak eb in duel, to get control back.. GL fighting a stacked daxio without eb on dm5.. First Blood ftw?

Except the funfactor going down (personally), the randomness goes up(fact), hence the pro factor goes down(fact).

You ll say: BUT learn to aim with the new weak eb..
I say: hahaha/sigh/cry..

You can't remember me from CA you know why? Because I never played CA. In Warsow I only played FFA in 0.42, then when I came back in 0.5 I only played Duel and very few (like 10) bomb-pickups. In 0.6 I only played duel. During all that time I played a lot of different people, stronger and weaker ones.
I know what duel is, you don't have to tell me about it.
There is no randomness in new EB you only need to learn how to predict propperly with it, if you predict wrong and die because of it you deserved it, period.

You'll say: Weak EB is random, pls give me back my instagun
I say: Keep whining...

Doesn't this give duel a new angle - that the top player has to control strong eb ammo as well at RA and MH.. which gives the underdog more time to collect other weapons and try to trap.

Tell that to mister "Weak EB is so random!!!111" over there.

+1
dont like the projectile, it ruins my experience in every gt that i play. it's really frustrating!
even GB at this point in time feels a bit stronger in some situations :P

/0 and WTFProoF: I m sure in your noob-playing-world, you actually believe what you re saying, which makes it pointless to argue with you..

I want to point out that the +1's in this thread are comming from respectable players:

Overactive, JWZR, Kerpal, HugTeddy, the players from my clan (except munky, he seems to find this incredibly funny), and I hope many more 'real' players will voice their opinion.

Players that actually make last 16, last 8 in duel tournaments.. not the ones lurking on duel servers and in forums, that just simply don t understand the game on a higher level.

hahaha, they changed eb back to projectile :D
interesting to say at least, projectile eb combos were ever fun :D

Right, degrading ppl which argue well is the way to go to discuss right.
Its a wsw Noob/pro world.

Unlike in real life, elitism is pure good for gaming. No successful mod isn't based on elitism. This is simply cause random pubbies arguing over stuff which they have no clue about doesn't make for a good game but players who knows the mechanics and have 2-3k hours played simply knows better.

I have a lot of dedication for this game and that's why I want things to be right.

I'm not going argue about minor wep balance changes any more cause it's easy to adapt but having a decent rail/eb is crucial for the gameplay of all duel games.
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Overactive wrote:
Unlike in real life, elitism is pure good for gaming. No successful mod isn't based on elitism. This is simply cause random pubbies arguing over stuff which they have no clue about doesn't make for a good game but players who knows the mechanics and have 2-3k hours played simply knows better.

I have a lot of dedication for this game and that's why I want things to be right.

I'm not going argue about minor wep balance changes any more cause it's easy to adapt but having a decent rail/eb is crucial for the gameplay of all duel games.

and still the (self-proclaimed) elitist's voice should have the same impact/weight as the voice of a normal public/casual pick-up player, since the latter part still makes the majority of the active community.

no reason to talk down from a high horse, we're all in the same boat.

miDGet wrote:

Overactive wrote:
Unlike in real life, elitism is pure good for gaming. No successful mod isn't based on elitism. This is simply cause random pubbies arguing over stuff which they have no clue about doesn't make for a good game but players who knows the mechanics and have 2-3k hours played simply knows better.

I have a lot of dedication for this game and that's why I want things to be right.

I'm not going argue about minor wep balance changes any more cause it's easy to adapt but having a decent rail/eb is crucial for the gameplay of all duel games.

and still the (self-proclaimed) elitist's voice should have the same impact/weight as the voice of a normal public/casual pick-up player, since the latter part still makes the majority of the active community.

no reason to talk down from a high horse, we're all in the same boat.

Thats still not the point. The point is that people who have played for 2-3k hours simply KNOWS the game much better then people who have played the game for 100 hours.

Ergo its better for all.

People complained that weak and strong were the same, so they reverted it. It wouldn't surprise me if it even brings back some old players, if they hear of it.

MagusZero wrote:
People complained

where?

/0 wrote:
Doesn't this give duel a new angle - that the top player has to control strong eb ammo as well at RA and MH.. which gives the underdog more time to collect other weapons and try to trap.

it's just a matter of 'weak eb' being really weak and has nothing to do with 'weak eb' being projectile. IMO weak and strong ammo should behave in the same way and projectiles without splash damage and with slow reload are random!

thank god there is no weak ammo in bomb. would kill myself if i had to use weak eb as it is atm

To be honest I don't bother about weak EB being projectile or instant.

But I feel in love with delayed NEX shots (xonotic's railgun). Delay is about 50ms, and it feels so pro and funny to predict enemies.

So another idea. How about compromise? Instant weak EB with delayed shots?)

That would be even more epic! +1 here