just a few word from me

Koochi wrote:

Huksi` wrote:

Koochi wrote:

Also, it seems capacity of pushing away the opponents with weapons as LG or EB is decreased. I guess it was just my impression, but after having modified promod myself, getting back the old knockback code, and having tested the gameplay, i can say it seems true. Try to believe (..or watch a lot of duels/public games) :)

Another thing is GB knockback: it seems to be like 1,5x of the old one for some reason. That makes GB jumps bit too good

I remember there was a discussion about that. It has been added because someone requested that. But kb of the GB is the last thing, which makes the gameplay random :] Maybe it removes an important part of learning tricks, but i personally think it gives much more personality to the gameplay anyway.

I'm OK with the GB kb but some people said it has too much height/too less selfdamage when you do jumps with it. However I'm OK with current GB of course :)

toukkapoukka wrote:

randzor wrote:

Anyway movement changes should be consulted with race scene, cause afaik racesow only changes weapons physics( i might be wrong here :) ).

Racesow is full mod and therefor they can decide to use whatever movement they want to use, that is, in the hypothetical situtation where we would change our movement code (which we arent so the discussion is m00t and pointless).

Im aware it is full mod but different strafejump/bunnyjump physics for racesow/basewsw(promod) would be harmful and afaik racesow dont change it in 0.6.

Huksi` wrote:

Koochi wrote:

Huksi` wrote:

Koochi wrote:

Also, it seems capacity of pushing away the opponents with weapons as LG or EB is decreased. I guess it was just my impression, but after having modified promod myself, getting back the old knockback code, and having tested the gameplay, i can say it seems true. Try to believe (..or watch a lot of duels/public games) :)

Another thing is GB knockback: it seems to be like 1,5x of the old one for some reason. That makes GB jumps bit too good

I remember there was a discussion about that. It has been added because someone requested that. But kb of the GB is the last thing, which makes the gameplay random :] Maybe it removes an important part of learning tricks, but i personally think it gives much more personality to the gameplay anyway.

I'm OK with the GB kb but some people said it has too much height/too less selfdamage when you do jumps with it. However I'm OK with current GB of course :)

Why not take advantage of this and make GB Strong the weapon to do jumping with instead of / addition to the RL? There's enough RL spamming already, and RL should have its high selfdamage so... GB sounds like a perfect jump-weapon.. ;) :D
(updated 2012-01-08 14:46:56)

randzor wrote:

Im aware it is full mod but different strafejump/bunnyjump physics for racesow/basewsw(promod) would be harmful and afaik racesow dont change it in 0.6.

Let me tell you the Racesow history. When wsw0.4 had released, there was a lot of whine by racers. The main reason was newmovement with its forward banny. In the resault racers decided to make their own mod with unchanged movement.

So, movement changes does no harm to basewsw/promod. It is only the way choosed by our smart developers. And racers are happy, they have no need to learn new physics.

adem wrote:

randzor wrote:

Im aware it is full mod but different strafejump/bunnyjump physics for racesow/basewsw(promod) would be harmful and afaik racesow dont change it in 0.6.

Let me tell you the Racesow history. When wsw0.4 had released, there was a lot of whine by racers. The main reason was newmovement with its forward banny. In the resault racers decided to make their own mod with unchanged movement.

So, movement changes does no harm to basewsw/promod. It is only the way choosed by our smart developers. And racers are happy, they have no need to learn new physics.

Yeah. Also let me add that current Racesow is actually quite well coded :)

I was more concerend about ppl which play both race and basewsw(promod) and there are some.

devs no longer support race gametype, the only original warsow racemap was also removed long time ago

SolidFake wrote:
devs no longer support race gametype, the only original warsow racemap was also removed long time ago

I remember when I first started with Warsow, with the fresh release of 0.3.. I played race in normal Warsow (custom maps ofc), there were plenty of servers. No problem and no "racesow" needed (haven't tried it either)..

Same with DM / TDM etc, plenty of servers to have some fun fragging on.. :D


Imo;
Warsow needs to bring back some of 0.3s and 0.2s DIFFICULTY of the game + revert quite a few NERFs which have come over the versions after that which most people don't like. I've been playing 0.21 for myself lately to try it and damn, the whole game is on a completely different level. And race worked well in the normal game too (0.3), you know, there were only one movement at that time.. ;)

What happened? I could join Race or DM servers or whatever it would be whenever I wanted. WHAT HAPPENED?!
(updated 2012-01-09 02:30:34)

people whined about it back then, too, didnt they? i know in 0.3/0.4 eb and +back was too strong, then people whined about rl, lg, back to rl and now gunblade xD also, there were always people who found the settings to be the best ever. now people say 0.2 was great and all, when they play it from a fresh start, but thats the same effect any new version has, which doesnt hold too long until people start to complain again, but at first everyone is happy.

may be a bit offtopic but i didnt feel like this was important enough to start another thread : i and i think alot of ca/bomb/ctfers would love the option to be able to see ur own teammates through the wall. it would improve teammode gameplay alot imo since u know exactly where they are and can avoid teamdmg with nades for example .. theres an option like this in ql already (cg_drawfriend) where teammate
s are shown as small orange triangles through the wall
(updated 2012-01-09 04:38:02)

jewy wrote:
may be a bit offtopic but i didnt feel like this was important enough to start another thread : i and i think alot of ca/bomb/ctfers would love the option to be able to see ur own teammates through the wall. it would improve teammode gameplay alot imo since u know exactly where they are and can avoid teamdmg with nades for example .. theres an option like this in ql already (cg_drawfriend) where teammate
s are shown as small orange triangles through the wall

Did this for 0.7 long time ago already :p

thanks crizis for spoiling 0.7 screens ;) how about an updating of the devblog?)

Supposed to do 0.7 blogpost long time ago, but then again threads like this pop out which completely demotivate everyone in the dev team to do anything.. I mean come on. Whining about gunblade for 4 pages, which have been basically unchanged for over 2 years? Don't people really have anything more important to do or write about?

Only if all this hate energy would be put to promoting Warsow...

oh, c'mon crizis! Does it still bother you?) it's just pointless discussion for fun.

well from your screen kiki, it seems that gb has been lowered !

homart wrote:
well from your screen kiki, it seems that gb has been lowered !

omg, right! So I'm gonna quit warsow rigth after 0.7 will be released. Can't live with a weak GB :D

homart wrote:
well from your screen kiki, it seems that gb has been lowered !

Or it's TDM where GB only runs up to 5.

But come on DEV-team, you gotta have harder skins than that nowadays, there will always be complaints and suggestions. That's just how humans/nerds work. Toughen up, you dont have do anything about suggestions or complaints, more than to think about them, and have them in your thought process when you make decisions.

exactly, we don't even have to read them!
but anyway, threads such as this one drain energy we'd otherwise have spent on something creative

tongue wrote:

homart wrote:
well from your screen kiki, it seems that gb has been lowered !

Or it's TDM where GB only runs up to 5.

But come on DEV-team, you gotta have harder skins than that nowadays, there will always be complaints and suggestions. That's just how humans/nerds work. Toughen up, you dont have do anything about suggestions or complaints, more than to think about them, and have them in your thought process when you make decisions.

We dont do this for the money so honestly we can safely and with clean self-conscience ignore such "whining". And like I've been trying to say few times, we dont much care for ideas, we need implementations.

That's what I'm saying you guys :)

Just remember to see how/what the "pleb" thinks/proposes and if it's feasible have it in the back of your heads when it's time to make a/multple decision/s. Or you will distance yourself too far away from the people who actually plays your game and they will loose interest in you and your game.

I was responding to crizis comment: "Supposed to do 0.7 blogpost long time ago, but then again threads like this pop out which completely demotivate everyone in the dev team to do anything"
You REALLY should be able to brush that dirt off your shoulders without whining about people whining (:D) and coming with suggestions and showing interrest in your game.
And if you wanna stop further comments on something, You GUYS have the POWER to say -"No, this will not happen, because of this and this." . And there's a reason why I put "because of this and this" there, and the reason is that it's easier to accept something, or just understand something if there's an explanation behind a certain decision, or just the fact that you show you thought about it, and came to another conclusion.
But however/whatever you do, you will hear/read comments, mostly negative ones, because that's what people feel strongly for. But hopefully the fact that people actually plays your game, plays cups and use their free time to argue about the game (:D) is enough encouragement for you to continue and that what you do actually is appreciated.

Well, got way out of topic and im sorry about that, and DEV-guys you are doing an awesome job, even if I dont see Eye to Eye with you on everything. But as we say in Sweden, "Smaken är som baken, delad och luktar skit".
(updated 2012-01-10 00:23:55)