Please (for warsows sake) fix weak eb as fast as possible

nice idea, adem
how about 75 ms delay for weak and 25 ms delay for strong eb ammos?)

why not just switch it around and have weak eb as insta hit (but make it weaker) and strong as projectile but does 50% more dmg

trolololololololol. seriously, you cant hit weak eb from long distances as it is right now, and thats what eb is for, it is meant to be a long range weapon, just like quake's rail. don't see the point in bringing back a stronger gunblade without splash, it just fucks up with the long range weapon's functionality and the gameplay experience with this weapon in general.

#1: About the "respectable/elite players"

Using that aptitude will make this game more "ghetto" keeping few players playing it and leaving the newbies as they have no right to say anything about, i do understand your point about but still think that w§w needs more players and that's not the right behavior to me.

#2: about the topic:
i don't play so much duels, but i do play few CA, noticed on myself i keep using Camper class just to not have the weak EB. that would not be necessary in no-class mod.

BUT: i do agree EB is a long range weapon and making it delayied takes out the point of it.

MY PROPOSAL:

Keep it and make it voteable (or at least a server side mod), make it that players can choose from the actual 0.7b weak eb or the insta EB. That will make everyone happy.

I do like adem's idea too.

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This is how i feel trying to hit with weak EB



(updated 2012-06-02 02:05:14)

They literally cannot make it voteable.

Adding delays sounds fine to me.

However, I don't dislike it as it is. I assume it'll just take some getting used to.

A lot of people that like new weak eb sounds like this: "whooi plx make strong rockets instant, awesome fun. We just need to get use to it!!!" "yhe and make it have a delay when you shoot it" "warsow should be random and special!!"

Only good argument so far to keep it is.

/0 wrote:

Doesn't this give duel a new angle - that the top player has to control strong eb ammo as well at RA and MH.. which gives the underdog more time to collect other weapons and try to trap.

Well only problem is that you can reduce weak eb dmg and get the same result. Warsow really don't need another gunblade/rocket with less reload and no splash.

And its not about proclaim yourself as pro, its about what ovr said about hours, experience and knowledge. My experience is: I did hate lg because I always got killed by mirrorman. Does this make my opinion back than valid? What I said now is only related to gameplay though.

I think dev should let core duel players test gameplay related changes. So its sure that we normal pub players can test a awesome change (if it gets released). Well guess this beta is just a gameplay test. No need to start to whine seriously jet :D
(updated 2012-06-02 13:49:18)

You just made the earth spinning faster with all the english teachers revolting on their graves :)

Point taken.
(updated 2012-06-02 05:16:37)

I LOVED THE "JET" THINK ITS CUTE :3

@hugteddy I think perhaps modifying the dmg per gametype is definitely the way to go. Or to make the projectile fast enough to be useful. I can understand the rage because atm it does feel completely useless. I tried asking a couple of people but I haven't done much other research on the following questions:

1) what speed is the current eb(weak) shot?
2) what speed are rockets now, and what speed is Gb.

if these speeds are too close then there is really no point in using the weak eb at all. Which is pretty game breaking. There's no defensive capacity to spawning and picking up eb.. also like many have stated using it to end combo - or offensively has been completely nerfed as well.

I did like the projectile when it was first around and I can only assume the devs are trying to fix what was broken in the first place and returning warsow to it's intended state (since the first time projectile eb was here it was hitting people twice at certain distances and could not be unbugged). I don't know if that was the reason for the switch to instant hit weak ammo but I can understand them changing it back now that they have got it working. However, this is causing a massive rift in the community.

They've made it clear that per-gametype weapon settings aren't going to happen; you can still make them sort of by changing projectiles or healing after a hit, but the devs have made it clear time and time again that the weapon definitions are solid and laid down by them.

They changed eb back, as far as I know, in large part to differentiate strong and weak ammo; they even warned us in the blog, though I don't blame you if you missed it.

Fact is, people time rockets for direct hits, and they're slower.

I liked ol' hitscan as well. It was def. tactical in duel and well, just more intuitive and enjoyable. Weak and strong had 25% damage difference in promod, that worthed taking strong ebs, and that's how i liked it the most over the different eb versions since .42 .

I only have the next 2 questions:

1) what is the point in bringing back the old projectile EB? When in 0.5 and 0.6 everyone was very happy with instant EB? I never saw anyone complaining about it?

2) In what way did you consider this feature to be better and more fun?

In my opinion and experience so far it only brings more randomness and weirdness to duel. It just doesn't feel right. Not to mention, in maps even like wdm5 (which is a small map...) its impossible to do proper (read: perfect) hit&run's now in certain positions because of distance.

For the people who are saying: "yes but making only strong EB have instant, makes it so much more important to control it." ... Did you imagine the other way around? What if the enemy is in total control and also in control of strong EB...what are you going to do? Keep on aiming with EB and hope you hit enough while there's a chance he'll dodge it or rush forward with rockets and hope you kill him? Oh and on maps like wdm14 and wdm12 the distance is even bigger!

*I still feel like someone stabbed my heart with this release* *cry*
(updated 2012-06-02 12:56:50)

eb strong 75 damage instand
eb weak 75 damage 6000 ups
gb strong 45 damage 3000 ups
rl strong 75 damage 1200 ups

dunno how it would feel like having the weak eb doing 8000-10000 ups but i think that would please most of the community including me :)

e: every1 talks like their weak ebs have spread now (f**king shit toy weapon unable to hit anything luckbased weapon) bs!
aim correct and time propper and the weak eb is AS STRONG AS the strong one
get it ffs
(updated 2012-06-02 13:19:53)

The electrobolt should be a long range weapon but the new weak eb is not a long range weapon because it is very easy to dodge. I do not understand the predicting some people are talking about. On long ranges you can predict as much as you want and the other player will just strafe to the side or move a bit in the air if he is not on the groud... .

I am not a very good dueler but eb in duel is good to pull off some good shots from range when you are trying to avoid fights due to high stack/control of the enemy and sometimes you cant get to the strong eb ammo or it is just to risky. So how do you want to damage him from distance apart from spamming rockets on items etc... . Also dromers point with the weapon combos is pretty true IMO

So yeah this is just my point of view and again I am not a (that) good dueler but IMO the situation for me is like that.

In ctf I also cant see a proper use for slow weak eb except of shooting ppl who are in the air due to jumppad

DalaiLamer wrote:
You just made the earth spinning faster with all the english teachers revolting on their graves :)

Point taken.

Better? Guess you never tried typing a novel tired on a android with a touch that doesn't work. Tx for punch below the belt :)

I'd personally rather have either both strong and weak as projectiles (same speed/'delay' but different damage) or instant. Same goes for LG- would rather have that weird bendy thing for strong and weak than straight for strong and bendy for weak. I've always found it jarring :) I guess what you want from the weapons depends on what gametypes you play and how you play them!
But yeah in an ideal world, just nerf the fuck out of the dmg for weak eb and make it instant. Done!

BRUNS wrote:
I'd personally rather have either both strong and weak as projectiles (same speed/'delay' but different damage) or instant. Same goes for LG- would rather have that weird bendy thing for strong and weak than straight for strong and bendy for weak. I've always found it jarring :) I guess what you want from the weapons depends on what gametypes you play and how you play them!
But yeah in an ideal world, just nerf the fuck out of the dmg for weak eb and make it instant. Done!

This. 100% agree on EB and 100% agree on the worst weak LG ever!

+1 on the petition
also my first impression is that rockets are a bit too strong, maybe it's only some sort of imagination but i'm quite sure u've significantly highered the kb/splash

Dunno your Problem mate... It's like every other Weapon ... just use it when it's the time for or do you use lg to snipe (wait...since 0.5 that's nearly possible...)?

Just played ca "duel" as Grunt and got 35% eb after like 11 shots ... quite ok i think

just use it as a mid range or long range (short-time) prediction weapon, especially if your enemy is hiding behind an edge, shoot and hide yourself



If you want senseless all weapons action with eb and lg b***hes ... fine but i'm against your suggestion...

farmup wrote:
+1 on the petition
also my first impression is that rockets are a bit too strong, maybe it's only some sort of imagination but i'm quite sure u've significantly highered the kb/splash

nope, splash has been REDUCED and +5 direct hit damage was removed. so rl is weakened compared to promod