VOTE here, what to do for 0.7 weak eb!

jalapainyo wrote:

dxoAKAdaxio wrote:
Another gameplay change that as you could learn from the past can possibly make more players leave!:)

The .5 release was when they put in instant weak eb, and thats when most players left.

Tho it might not be a correlation, guess it was mainly cuz everyone was sick of waiting for 0.5 (including me).

I rly like 0.7 till now<3

So first I wrote this aimed at the gameplay balancers of wswdev team:

Go ahead and go play duel vs daxio when he's in total control. Trying to get control back when you cant hit EB and you can't hit & run, will reduce the game to a RL-hugging game even more (which it already is and with 0.7 even more).

If projectile EB is here, its the end of duel for warsow on high skill, thats a fact. Because 1) You'll be increasing the random-factor waaaay too much since there's a possibility you'll miss the shot by a millisecond which is enough for a gg. 2) The reason QL, CS, LoL are/were so popular is because you are/were able to perfect your game/skill and every millisecond mattered....

The only time you'll be seeing high players again is for the money duel-cups. Most of the people responding here aren't even duellers. And I agree, if I played CA, CTF or bomb, I wouldnt care either because in other gametypes the influence isn't that big.

But now...I'm like this:

Learn to balance this game already, its been 6 years or so and still we're getting major gameplay changes. Oh and in case you didn't notice it yet... YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.



(updated 2012-06-08 20:05:30)

A - I believe that eb should be the long range hitscan weapon, and fill that purpose. With projectile it becomes too unreliable on long-range which is the point of the weapon. Sure, I still hit (with "skill") on close/medium-range, but on long-range it's pure randomness. I just don't see the use for a projectile eb, you already have gb/rl/pg which share the same mechanic. The projectile EB seems like a nerf, intended to decrease EB abuse in duel/tdm (which actually promotes more positional play).

Anyway, I think that weak and strong ammo should share the same domain of use, which is the case for all the weapons now, except weak/strong EB, where strong EB is usefull at long range, but weak is not...

rvg wrote:
A - I believe that eb should be the long range hitscan weapon, and fill that purpose. With projectile it becomes too unreliable on long-range which is the point of the weapon. Sure, I still hit (with "skill") on close/medium-range, but on long-range it's pure randomness. I just don't see the use for a projectile eb, you already have gb/rl/pg which share the same mechanic. The projectile EB seems like a nerf, intended to decrease EB abuse in duel/tdm (which actually promotes more positional play).

Anyway, I think that weak and strong ammo should share the same domain of use, which is the case for all the weapons now, except weak/strong EB, where strong EB is usefull at long range, but weak is not...

You're forgetting weak LG, it's still a shitweapon that doesn't hit like strong LG... Another random thing in this awesome unbalanced game!

B

D!

dont think i remember correctly, weak eb is 2000ups now? imagine you are shooting prj. eb across half of wca1. a 2000 units distance. thats like shooting with instant eb at 1000ms ping. now double that ups and its still 500ms ping. happy fragging.

edit: take other maps, duel maps if you will, still compares to 100 ms ping over a 400ups distance - thats the distance of a mediocre bunnyhop - on top of your usual ping. and you say this is great?
+ avoids long range campers
+ adds a challenge for seasond players
+ does sth with the ammo system
- does sth with the ammo system
- devalues eb (could distort item balance on maps)
- harder on naps/igibbers

I coul[D] not care less.
(updated 2012-06-08 22:13:18)

jalapainyo wrote:

dxoAKAdaxio wrote:
Another gameplay change that as you could learn from the past can possibly make more players leave!:)

The .5 release was when they put in instant weak eb, and thats when most players left. Not that there's any correlation to begin with. The projectile eb is classic warsow, and it's exactly what makes strong eb ammo important.

I'm all for projectile weak eb. It adds more to gameplay.

jalapainyo wrote:
The .5 release was when they put in instant weak eb, and thats when most players left. Not that there's any correlation to begin with. The projectile eb is classic warsow, and it's exactly what makes strong eb ammo important.

jalapainyo wrote:

The .5 release was when they put in instant weak eb, and thats when most players left. Not that there's any correlation to begin with. The projectile eb is classic warsow, and it's exactly what makes strong eb ammo important.

Also count my vote as B & C or just B if you're weird.
(updated 2012-06-08 22:02:27)

VectorVanDoom wrote:
dont think i remember correctly, weak eb is 2000ups now? imagine you are shooting prj. eb across half of wca1. a 2000 units distance. thats like shooting with instant eb at 1000ms ping. now double that ups and its still 500ms ping. happy fragging.

It's 6000ups. The B vote would make it 8000ups.

still 250ms, too much for most but the Lo'est ones

A

Ouxon from IRC votes B

<moonshield> i vote for b too
<moonshield> someone post for me

Moonshield from IRC votes B

VectorVanDoom wrote:
still 250ms, too much for most but the Lo'est ones.
imagine you are shooting prj. eb across half of wca1.

It wouldn't be like that, you would miss if you shot it like an instant EB. I've also shot projectile EB across half of WCA1 it's not easy but it's definitely doable.

any1 of the duel "pros" playing duel on wca1? no? coz thats the place where even i(ppl call me mr.noaim) can get some hits with weak eb lol

what i mean is duel maps are not long range so u have the weakest point of complaining about impos longrange weapon .

besides that gameplay has to change since THIS IS ALL BETA SINCE 7 YEARS
u my have in ur mind that things uve allready learned will be law forever coz of the looooooong developmet steps in this community

in the end is warsow JUST A GAME and imo games have to be phunn
im not the only1 that has 10 times more fun with the projectile eb

B

A!

B

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clownfart wrote:
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Also count my vote as B & C or just B if you're weird.

IMHO should not count as a true vote for any option since the guy didn't really decide what he wants...

D please.