My concerns with Warsow Competitive Play

It's obvious to me that the game was designed to be much like Quake, which is fine. But if you're going to try and compete with a game that already owns that domain, you need to step your game up a bit more. I have a few concerns with the game which I believe is hurting it overall for the e-sports aspect.

The gun physiques aren't exactly that great. I feel like every gun is delayed a little too much and not enough animation behind them to give you the visual appeal that you hit somebody or the area around them is being hit.

When I first loaded in to the game, I was absolutely impressed with the art style, until I heard the sound. Not only is the gun sound extremely mono and bad, but the overall sound of just trying to locate where a person is on the map is also bad. I believe this area needs much more development in order to succeed for greater game play.

Just as a note, you might try switching the sound module to openal (you'll need to install openal first of course)

Still, I do understand what you mean. The problem is that we don't really have good examples of sounds that'd fit warsow well while being unique. I suppose Jihnsius could try messing with it a bit, but his specialty is music; he did the soundtrack. So only if he's interested.

warsow is in a niche, not trying to own anything, if you ask me. it's not better than quake, its different.
cant say too much about delayed guns. i bet theres a load of people, who will argue that its a problem on your end. i for my part dont feel that guns would be delayed anymore, but i had that with insta back in 0.42.
cg_gun 0 (right?) to hide the weapon. if you have any ideas to improve visual appeal, bring em. i think other quakelikes dont have more than explosion sprites and a few particles, either.

I agree completely and I'm fairly sure myself and others have given the same suggestions. The weapons just don't have a good feel to them.

I don't think there is interest in fixing this, though...

I may get flamed for saying this, but why does it matter what the weapons sound like. As long as they hit their target and I hear the cowbell, it doesn't really matter. Or am I just being too superficial?

Mariosow!
(updated 2012-09-16 11:22:23)

UrLossMyGain wrote:
I may get flamed for saying this, but why does it matter what the weapons sound like. As long as they hit their target and I hear the cowbell, it doesn't really matter. Or am I just being too superficial?

You won't get flamed (but I might). Of course there are people who like the current sounds or don't care. Every time I get a friend to try Warsow, though, they say they don't like it either because the rockets are weird or they don't like the weapon sounds and/or models.

I know I've complained about this stuff in the past, so you're probably thinking I influenced them to think the same, but I didn't. I tell them Warsow is cool, just try it, etc., and that is what they always say.

There is the exception of a couple QL players that tried it when 1.0 was released. They didn't complain about anything, but they did quit days later because there just weren't enough players in North America.

Edit: BTW, stuff like this seems to be interpreted as hate on these forums. It's not hate, it's constructive criticism. Warsow is close to perfect, it just needs that little extra fun factor, and that mostly comes from the feel of the weapons.
(updated 2012-09-16 11:29:44)

Ok, the feel of weapons will be increased in the next version. Gonna bump the "feel" weapdef numbers for 1.01

Edit: BTW, stuff like this seems to be interpreted as hate on these forums. It's not hate, it's constructive criticism.

Stop spreading FUD please, constructive criticism is taken as such. Irc hate is another thing.

And ye, I'll pass on your thoughtful words to our army of sound sfx designers, who have been strangely slacking for the past several years, awaiting for the pointing community finger..
(updated 2012-09-16 13:03:28)

but the overall sound of just trying to locate where a person is on the map is also bad. I believe this area needs much more development in order to succeed for greater game play.

in warsow, being able to locate an enemy with sound is WAY easier than for instance in cpm. its really easy, one might even argue that it is too damn easy.
i am though using openAl and havent used qf since 0.5 so i have no idea how it is when using that

afaik there weren't noticeable updates for the sounds (exept for the announcer and gb) since 0.3. Also, there is no new player model since 0.5.

So, i guess our lovely dev team has lack of modelers and sound designers. Ppl, stop speaking known things! Start helping Wasow!

weapon sounds have alrdy been talked about, truely not a new discussion. idk how this influences competitive playing though:p

As much as I hate to say it, I think your going to have to live with it.

Vic wrote:
Ok, the feel of weapons will be increased in the next version. Gonna bump the "feel" weapdef numbers for 1.01

Edit: BTW, stuff like this seems to be interpreted as hate on these forums. It's not hate, it's constructive criticism.

Stop spreading FUD please, constructive criticism is taken as such. Irc hate is another thing.

And ye, I'll pass on your thoughtful words to our army of sound sfx designers, who have been strangely slacking for the past several years, awaiting for the pointing community finger..

This is what I meant, I knew there would be a spiteful post from you here eventually. If Warsow makes you so unhappy, then forget what your dad says, quitting is an option.

byce wrote:
quitting is an option.

your qutting would cost nothing to warsow, but Vic's one would be very painful. So, be careful with the words, my dear friend =)

How many times do I have to tell you guys to calm down?

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